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[0:00]  and so I really try to talk to people about thinking about your your investment in the community in terms of three ways your time your talent and your treasure it's not just about the person who's giving the most money it's not just the Mackenzie Scots and the Bill Gates in the world like they're doing great things and that's amazing but it's also how are children thinking about having birthday parties where the gifts are not maybe not going to them but going to a children's shelter right who are the kids who my children want to make sure that we have cash in our in our car at all given times in case we see someone who's experiencing homelessness and you know making sure whether it's money or like small resources like goodie bags with with small things for people to take care of themselves we got to do better about really saying that you know it could also be me this person is my neighbor they are part of my community the person that I'm passing each and every day on

[0:47]  the corner how am I maybe praying for them doing one small thing to make their day better but also making sure that they don't feel unseen because I think that's the other issue with othering is is that it just turns a blind eye to what's happening right in front of us all right guys welcome back to a brand new episode of the heart and hustle podcast I'm incredibly excited today because I have Kristen Murphy here today now she is the CEO of Wellspring living an organization that is committed to addressing human trafficking in Atlanta focusing on providing housing advocacy and healing resources for

[1:34]  victims in the community Kristen welcome to the show I'm super excited for this so happy to be with you today thanks for having me absolutely so before we kind of dive into the amazing work that you guys are doing in the topics that we're going to cover in today's episode who were you as a young professional who kind of put you on the path to do this amazing work because I know that this work is a calling it takes so much to show up and advocate for others who need help who often can't even raise their hand and time of need so what put you on this path absolutely I think really my parents are a big part of my story I grew up in a funeral home in Tulsa Oklahoma and being such a big part of the community I think my family was very clearly dedicated to service and giving back to others in their time of need and so I really believe that my my passion for advocacy calling out and helping

[2:21]  others really started there and I've been in Atlanta for many years I came here to go to Spellman College which um of course is a big part of my story and I've been really passionate about the issue of Women and Children's Advocacy for about 15 years now so I started my first nonprofit career at decab County court appointed special advocates advocating for children in the foster care system and helping to volunteers to be those great Advocates and then went on to needing to know a little bit more about the space of philanthropy as you know nonprofits really rely on the resources of the community in order to keep their work coming to life and some organizations can be too reliant on one Revenue extreme than multiple others and so in order to really learn a little bit more about the space of philanthropy I went back to working at my alma Mo and did lots of different things to help

[3:08]  fundraise but learned a lot more about making the original ask and asking people to help and then moved to girl Scots of Greater Atlanta where I proudly served for nearly seven years before leaving there as chief filment officer to come to W spring living wow what a journey I want to rewind a little bit and talk about that origin story of um spending so much time in a funeral home absolutely now one of the things that I this has been a moment that's been ingrained into my brain my entire life in 2008 my grandmother passed away and you know we went to her funeral and you know one of the experiences that kind of changed my perspective about our end of life experience was everybody of course is giving you know their sermon talking about how impactful naen was tears falling all the time my father hopped up in front of everybody I'm not sure how he did this but he said you know it's so important for us to remember that we of

[3:57]  course can be sad about losing somebody who we loved but more importantly this is a celebration about the impact that nen my grandmother had on everybody what were some of the lessons that you learned spending around so much time around families who are in that process of end of life did anything like kind of impact you at a young age absolutely I think there's lots of things that I learned um one thing is to live your life to the fullest you know no day is guaranteed to any one of us and every day that we have breath really gives us a chance to do something really big and really bold and courageous even if the day before was completely opposite um I also really think that there can be Joy found in grieving moments because we know that people can sometimes come together in a more powerful way and seeing each other and holding one another near and dear in those moments I've seen really tragedy bring Community

[4:45]  together in powerful ways and then I think the final thing that I've learned really about funerals and kind of the moment of of grieving is that understanding that it's a journey you know what grief may look like for one person or one relationship may be completely different to someone else and so we may live our lives really carrying on the legacy of those who we are were closest to and those moments where we're reminded of them are really brought to tears are just reminders of the Legacy and the Beautiful imprint that they've made on our lives and in some ways Keenan I think that's also a part of the ongoing celebration of what they have done to really make a difference in our lives I mean I could couldn't agree more you know they say that you know people often won't remember what you know you bought for them or things that you were able to provide but how you made them feel and that's an incredibly important topic I want to talk a little bit about

[5:33]  your time at um you know Girl Scouts of America what was that like invol like I would say investing and divulging so much energy into the Next Generation what were some of your Lessons Learned in that time I had a lot of fun at Girl Scouts you know I think I was a girl scout growing up I was I think I went all the way till about fifth grade and at that time our troop leader who had an older daughter who had been really active in Girl Scouts that daughter was graduating from high school and she just needed kind of a break and I wish that I had stayed with a little bit longer because a couple of the troops that she introduced me to were doing some really great things one even went on a trip to Africa and others were doing great adventures in the local community but what I think I learned the most about Girl Scouts is that at any age a girl a child anyone it can be a leader right really learning what you can think about and understanding that there is no limit

[6:22]  to your potential of what you can do today you don't have to wait for tomorrow to roll up your sleeves but I think that also something that learned that I think people might be surprised about is that the reason why the cookie business is so huge is that not only because it's number one the largest girl-led business across the world but also it came out about because of a need of philanthropy so when Girl Scouts was founded more than a hundred years ago there weren't people around who believed in girls being a boss and girls being leaders right and they thought you know girls and women deserve to be at home and deserve to have more of a domestic status and so I think Juliet Gordon low really challenged the status quo at the time and said girls can do great things they can be outdoors they can explore the world around them and I think that that has created such a powerful movement of young women who are Advocates who use their voice in really

[7:09]  thoughtful ways and I really tun to be very inspired by the girls who are around us in Girl Scouts and the great work that they're doing in their communities um I have a step uh niece right now her name is Sydney and she's 11 years old and she's going through her Girl Scouts process and I just got the emails this year about all the cookies and she came to me and said hey you know Uncle Kean I really want you to invest into this because I think I can be the best saleswoman here in the entire region of Nevada and I was like this is the spark that I love seeing in our younger generation which is so cool I mean just those experiences are absolutely amazing so now so we spend some time at Girl Scouts of America now we make the pivot right and we're going to start you know being the leader at Wellspring living why was it this organization that attracted you to do the work that you're doing yeah I think after having about 10 years in service

[7:58]  and commitment to the community I realized that women and children was something that I was most passionate about I realized that there is a way to dig deeper I'd heard really about the issue of trafficking originally when I was at decab casasa understanding that children who are in the foster care are at Great risk of falling into victims um in this industry and I think not only did it scare me but it gave me the inspiration to want to do something about it I went ahead and learned a little bit more about the issue of trafficking also through Junior League of Atlanta which brings other women who are in the community and want to be really involved in doing something really great and something powerful and so from those couple of instances I said this is maybe a dark topic it's one that I am not as familiar with but it is one that I think that I have been led to have been called to lead and have the opportunity to really

[8:45]  help to dig deeper and what an EMP powerful what a powerful moment when we are like in the middle of a capital campaign are trying to expand our services but also realizing that Wellspring living fortunately isn't doing this work alone anymore so how can we really think about thoughtfully about creating more Partnerships and more opportunity to take the work that we do and really do something even more special with it so I think that it was a bit of a surprise but also kind of called upon things that had come up before me earlier in life and just gave me a different opportunity to explore the topic and what do you mean by that earlier in life what does that mean yeah so I mean I think about you know learning about it when I was at Casa I was a you know 20 some odd year old professional in the middle of the of uh the recession I think that I was

[9:32]  overwhelmed by the amount of children that I saw coming into the courtroom day in and day out due to um cases of abuse neglect and just overall despair those same children who were having were in court for those issues were also the same ones who were coming in for smaller crimes right whether it was burglary theft things like that the issue around trafficking understands it helps me to understand that traffickers are not you know trying to kind of kidnap your kid they're really praying upon those vulnerabilities they know to look for those who don't have stable housing they know to look for those who have experienced U mental health or other physical abuse issues in their household they know that they're looking for someone who may be isolated and alone and they know that they can pray upon them and they can do something to take advantage of them when we think about

[10:20]  trafficking being maybe the second um largest illegal uh trade in the US we know that it's it's very lucrative and there's many different ways and tactics but there's also many different solutions and hopefully being on the right side of Justice here is something that can be powerful for my not only myself but also for others in the community I think it's really important to hit on that Community topic because often when we think about human trafficking I think from my personal perspective and many other people I've talked to they have the perspective that this is happening in another part of the world right this is happening in Southeast Asia this is happening in Africa this is happening in you know displaced countries that are going through wartime but these things are happening in our local community so why do you feel like it's so difficult for so many people to recognize this is a an us problem here right now today I think because it's

[11:07]  just it's hard to talk about no one wants to talk about the issue the real reality of child sexual abuse that is running rampant in our country and that the think that people are taking advantage of children is just difficult to really bear but I think it's the unfortunate reality and until we open our eyes very very thoughtfully to this issue there's no way we can do anything really about it and I think that I think that we've done a really great job of talking about the issue in places like Thailand and in India and really understanding that very thoughtfully but there's more that we can do here and I really am hoping that more people will use their platforms like you are today to create a little level of exposure to this conversation to bring people a little bit closer and to understand that unfortunately trafficking is something that has likely touched every single zip

[11:54]  Cod across the United States we know that's the case in the state of Georgia and we know that we have great Champions who who want to be a part of the solution but there are buyers and traffickers everywhere that are trying to say well we also have a stake in the space as well and I think that we have I'm going use this word in a little bit of a different way or this phrase we have so many attack vectors right where people can come at us to be able to persuade us in different ways I heard an amazing analogy that kind of opened up my eyes to this about the internet right now the analogy was given would you ever allow for a window to be on your child's crib where at any point in time an Advertiser or somebody could peer through the crib of your child and show them images that we don't truly understand nor control the same example your daughter's bedroom

[12:42]  window would you put a window that the world could come access look in share images and do all these type of things there are so many attack vectors that we have in society today social media the internet different platforms Pinterest all these different opportunities so how do we kind of get everybody a breast on what threats these actual platforms do suggest to our youth especially when it comes to those you know traffickers taking advantage of people who are displaced isolated lonely XYZ absolutely I think one is educating ourselves about the platforms and the spaces where our CH where our children are online I think even before we actually we have a 14-year-old in our house our daughter who somewhat runs the roost these days um but before we gave her a phone at 13 years old we had a lot of conversations a series of conversations actually about what are the rules why are are they in

[13:29]  so so important why is it also really key for her to give her phone to us every evening it is not stay in her room overnight and why we will also be checking her phone at on random moments I think when I the horrible things that I have seen for more than a decade um really shown me that often we are just leaving children too much alone and too much um in their own space and I guess playground in many different ways but you're totally right the whether it's a phone or any other device we giving them access to so many different apps and spaces of media where they are learning very quickly different things that are not necessarily supposed to be available to them they're exposed unfortunately to things that you know may cause them great harm and they're exposed to people who don't mean them any good and so when

[14:16]  I talk talk to people I try to say you need to keep an eye on your child's phone you need to have those rules and be clear about what the expectations are but you have to lean in you have got to First and most importantly create a space of trust in your house you know we need to know that our children can come to us when anything happens not shaming them for the things that they do wrong not making them afraid of police and what may happen to them I think we've talked so much about child sexual abuse material and the things that kids pass back and forth in a space of fear that it also May prohibit them from coming up when from coming to us when someone has taken a private photo of theirs and want to do something bad with it and I think we've got to really dismantle that conversation be really thoughtful about how we talk to children and say you no matter what happens no matter what your

[15:03]  the situation is I'm always here for you and I think it's also about breaking it down to their age level right so when I think about when our child was in in elementary school and was in her first kind of overnight experiences we'd have conversations about like what's the rose and what was the thorn of that experience tell me what was the highlight and what's the thing that you would want to do less of really kind of breaking it down to an everyday conversation that we would normally have about school to also having that same conversation about overnight experiences was to create a space where we were having thoughtful dialogue and ways that she could understand and can express where maybe there's not quite language for them to understand what they want to say so I say it's about a couple things I think it's about monitoring understanding that um that's really important but also not overlooking the importance of trust and communication on a given on every given day and daily

[15:51]  basis I mean there's a real there's a real element here of accountability that we have to take as Elders in our community right because our younger Generations are exposed to so many different opportunities you said you know in that statement you said we give our children access to the world but what it seems like we've really done is we've given the world access to our children which is a small little M little shift right that makes all the difference so what is the responsibility on our parents right to be able to have these conversations because one of the common topics you know when we feel uncomfortable as adults in breaching some of these conversations it's not like the conversations are not being H somebody else is going to have this conversation for you in replacement of you for your child it's true um you know I think the the answer I have to that is that we

[16:38]  have to have courage we have to demonstrate an unwavering commitment to protecting our children not only in our house but in their their Friendship Circle you know I think my daughter may be embarrassed sometimes may my son will eventually one day be embarrassed about the topics and the conversations that we have but I really want them to understand that like there is nothing that can be off topic here in house right there is nothing that is unsafe to be discussed in our house and whether that's for you your friends like we are all a part of doing this together and but it really starts by being vulnerable by also being honest about some of the things that we've experienced in life and some of the moments where we maybe have taken it being able to be taken advantage of actually that reminds me of something if you don't mind me sharing um I when I first came to Atlanta I was from Tulsa as I shared and I remember that I wanted to be a model and had

[17:26]  thought about it for some time there was an opportunity for me to go I think I found like an add in Craigslist um which was like a free publication that was available everywhere before it went online um and I found a photographer who wanted to take pictures of people and so I was like yeah absolutely I want to build my portfolio I want to have my own pictures and though my parents communicated with that photographer and talked to them as the throughout my journey to their place like at any given point the pictures that we took could have taken a left turn right at any given point as someone who was an naive 18-year-old right I could have really exposed myself in a way that could have made great damage upon my legacy and the the image that I'm thoughtfully creating today and I think that that's like that's just kind of sad but true reality

[18:14]  that's happening now but it's happening even more easy easy easily thanks to the growth and the expansion of technology I mean when you said in our previous conversation right we might know where a private photo starts but once once it gets onto the internet that digital footprint can go anywhere across the globe and it's so important to recognize that so having these responsible thoughtful intentional conversations with our children about how they can protect their Digital Image is something that I think is really important because you know I think we've gotten into the place over the recent years it's crazy to think about how social media really popped up 12 years ago right 2012 Instagram everything drops our world has changed dramatically but what I often think about is previous generations had the opportunity to say and laugh about this like I'm so glad I

[19:01]  wasn't a part of your generation cuz we didn't have Snapchat we didn't have Instagram we didn't have people documenting everything it seems like we've gotten into the state where it's easy for us to overshare so how do we establish those boundaries right which is so tough when we're told we need to document and post everything everywhere absolutely and you know I think that every everybody's different I think we've kind of created this space of fandom by with great like YouTube creators who create and Inspire others you know my kid was buying all kinds of Ryan's world toys thanks to the videos he was watching kind of non-stop um but I think that we also have to understand and communicate like sure that might be what some people do for business and that might be what content creators do for their business but a lot of people each and everyday people are not posting their hard or their difficult moments we

[19:48]  know that the sad reality is that Su suicidal ideation is on the rise for youth we don't have enough data about the exposure risk that they are experiencing by having so much access to technology and to social media but we do know that the brain isn't fully developed until they're in their mid-20s so why would we be taking a little bit more of a thoughtful and um very concentrated approach to being mindful about how we can protect them in ways where they are currently vulnerable it's kind of surprising and alarming that something that was created really for adults really moved into a space for children and and we haven't really changed the rule significantly in a while you know I'm I'm grateful to see that like meta and Instagram have done um I think who made an effort to try and be a little bit more intentional about the things that children have access to

[20:35]  about making sure that teenage profiles are not automatically public when they're 16 I think they have to be 18 years old now um but there's a long way to go right and I wish that we didn't put so much responsibility on the users that we did put a little bit more responsibility on these companies but I think again there's a lot of money involved and we got a lot of work to do in order to be better advocates in that space yeah and I often think about where these Pro these platforms start right Tik Tok started as musically where kids literally were singing along to music but then the adults came and changed the culture of the platform which is something really to recognize so what where we start is not where we're going to finish absolutely you know when when you're having these conversations as a CEO I looked at on your LinkedIn profile and the last post I believe you put up was you doing the groundbreaking you know with some amazing Partners like

[21:22]  Delta and other huge Brands so when it comes to advocating and having this conversation Community do you ever find yourself frustrated that more people aren't aware of this type of problem uh sometimes I think you know I'm dispelling myths that trafficking doesn't always look like taken most often it looks more like you know someone who is trying to lure someone into a relationship to exploit them um that's like one that is kind of frustrating because I'm like yeah I know you want to be mindful of the white F that's pulling up on you know up on your street or like you know what's happening at when you're pumping gas but that's not really what we're talking about here and I think that often I'm having to kind of Pop people's bubble of like Safety and Security and say the real reality is is like it's happening it's probably in your school and you just probably don't have any

[22:10]  clue about it we know that often children are still enrolled in school and they are going to classrooms just like our other students and so I think that I don't I'm not disheartened per se I think that I am just disgusted that people take advantage of others in such mean and disgusting ways that can cause such great harm but I'm also really inspired when I see something go really well right so when I think about our youth and our participants when you someone who's 12 to 17 years old coming to us and having maybe a first safe place that they've experienced in a while it takes a while to for them to break down their walls right and to believe that someone actually cares for them to believe that love doesn't look like abuse and that care can look very differently it can be a conversation about what do you want to accomplish

[22:58]  like what do you want to be when you grow up and then creating spaces and opportunities for them to have great relationships to be on College Tour to go to on field trips and experiences where they're learning from others like those are the special moments that really kind of give me great hope and so though I can get frustrated sometimes I think I am thankfully surrounded by more moments of opportunity and more opportunities um that you know I think we can just get more people involved and how we can really inspire you know those around us to create a revolution would you consider yourself an optimist absolutely I asked that question because you know in the world that we live in today especially on social media it's easy to be a cynic right and say why is someone like Christen doing all this work it's we're never going to be able to combat these issues but in order to

[23:44]  have dramatic sustainable change we have to look at the world through a lens of optimism recognizing this is a fight that we are going to have to continue to keep fighting but if we have the opportunity to control how we choose to address these situations right and these ch challenges coming from a place of optimism is so important and I find that that's just a key trait with so many of the great leaders who I sit across from oh yeah I have to agree and I think that cynicism really takes the power away from you as an individual to do something powerful right and I think that that's the easy way out is to say oh see the world's going down it's going down quickly there's nothing I can do about it there's no point in me you know exercising my right to vote or you know talking to someone about this topic but really taking ownership and accountability and saying what what can I do what can I lean in to right I had this great experience in Atlanta called

[24:31]  lead Atlanta and they bring younger professionals together to learn about an array of topics and you know we're learning about things like poverty racism um you know lack of education and great and resources for our community homelessness amongst other things and I think what I learned is that you just got to find one thing do that one thing really well and dig in as deeply there as you can and as much as possible bring people along with you so that you're not doing it alone and that will make you feel a little bit better a little bit more hopeful and probably a little bit a lot more inspired really about the impact that you can create in the life of the others I I completely agree it's an incredibly powerful frame to think about if you're just good at this one thing right that creates momentum for other people to be able to build on top of the foundation that you've established I uh while you were talking

[25:18]  a couple minutes ago I was thinking about you know a phrase that I've heard which is hurt people hurt people right and one thing I've recognized is often when we talk about about you know human trafficking sexual abuse all these type of things these are Legacy type of effects that have happened to people in Generations where now they try and normalize this Behavior by getting other people involved is it healthy for us to look at all these people who are these offenders with a lens of compassion to say obviously something happened to you at some point in time and we need to break the cycle in order to make this change to be sustainable in our communities I think that we could all use a little bit more compassion in our lives and I think that understanding that when we other someone else we are really trying to just create more distance and try to make ourselves what does that mean othering somebody else yeah I think we do a lot to kind of

[26:06]  label right and to say oh you know you're this you're that right and that's really meant to kind of create a but I'm not or I'm better than and I think that the way that our society in particular As Americans has really kind of moved away from the community coming together and supporting one another or you know I think about the depression and about how many times probably people were like breaking bread when there was little crumbs to give right and so really shouldering one another in the the factories and things like that I think that we have come great ways and we have thought we've done amazing things to do better but we've also become a little bit more isolated in the world and kind of only created space to care for our home and I think that what I'm seeing around us is that Generations are across Generations people want to do something

[26:54]  they're just quite aren't quite sure about how to do it and so I really try to talk to people people about thinking about your your investment in the community in terms of three ways your time your talent and your treasure it's not just about the person who's giving the most money it's not just the McKenzie Scots and the Bill Gates in the world like they're doing great things and that's amazing but it's also how are children thinking about having birthday parties where the gifts are not maybe not going to them but going to a children's shelter right who are the kids who my children want to make sure that we have cash in our in our car at all given times in case we see someone who's experiencing homelessness and you know making sure whether it's money or like small resources like goodie bags with with small things for people take care of themselves we got to do better about really saying that you know it could also be me this person is my neighbor they're part of my community

[27:41]  the person that I'm passing each and every day on the corner how am I maybe praying for them doing one small thing to make their day better but also making sure that they don't feel unseen because I think that's the other issue with othering is is that it just turns a blind eye to what's happening right in front of us one of the biggest threats that we have in our society today truly is ignorance to others you know there's a saying and I'm going to butcher this but it's like if you truly understood your enemy they would not be your enemy right and I feel like it's so easy for us to say they're different they're other rather than saying they are like us and where do we where are we similar which brings us together and helps us kind of overcome some of those challenges yeah I love that 15 years in the nonprofit space right CEO biggest challenge that we see in nonprofit space is CEO burnout I want

[28:30]  to talk about how you kind of protect your space right how you've been able to sustain this journey and be able to pour into people knowing that your cup has to be full first what's that like for you yeah um I think one of the things that's really important to me is really starting my day with grounding activities and experiences you know when we talked before I told you that one of the first things I do is not check on my phone right I go to kind of like my little area I Journal I pray I reflect on what I want to accomplish I may even spend some a moment really writing down the things that I'm grateful for you know I was listening to a uh actually another podcast Super Soul conversations with Oprah and one of the things that she learned about the space of gratitude and researchers found is that even as we are elderly if we put on a one minute timer and talked about the things that

[29:18]  we're grateful for from the day prior it can make in incremental differences in our level of joy that we experience on a daily basis and I think that we don't spend enough time kind of reflecting on the good things and holding on to the hard things and so I think the first thing that I do is spend some time by myself really thinking about what's important to me what I want to accomplish what are maybe some of the things that I'm really proud of and then also surrounding myself with great people you know I have been really fortunate to have an amazing um Sisterhood but also network of friends across the community that I'm cheering on and they're cheering for me and so when they come to mind I'm checking in on them I'm scheduling routine convers ations finding time for us to catch up and I'm also finding some time to unplug you know I think I have a problem just

[30:04]  like many other leaders of perhaps being email addicted on that phone a little bit too much so trying to find great ways to create thoughtful boundaries and to be away from away from the the work and really being thoughtful about pouring into myself and what what I need intentionality there is so important if we could go back 15 years and we had an opportunity to sit across from Kristen and you could give her advice VI on how she not needed to navigate the next 15 years of a professional career what would you kind of really try and instill into her oh I think I think I'd say things like you know don't give up right it this path to what you want to accomplish may feel difficult and may feel arduous at times but every obstacle is giving you an opportunity and how you really take those opportunities and lean

[30:52]  into them is going to do be something some something truly transformational I also really think that spending time really cultivating my own I guess board of directors or network of people who inspire me was really important and I'd say spend some good time with those people learn from their experiences see what they have to share and take that seed and plant it somewhere else for somewhere else someone else to learn and to grow from so those are the two things I'd say I love that and the one thing I've recognized about this journey right is time flies and you know challenges that we think are insurmountable today when we look back we're going to be on a different mountain top and be looking back down at that challenge and say look how much I've grown right leading into that process is super important so one of the traditions we have here on the podcast as we kind of put the wheels down to land is our previous guest

[31:39]  wanted to ask you a blind question now this came from an amazing young entrepreneur his name is Zach Clark he uh is the CEO and founder of a nonprofit in California called the home more project where he's helping create backpacks for homeless people that are hard shelled Plus have a solar panel on them so they keep connectivity to their cell phones which is really powerful and he wanted to know what is the one thing that you are most excited about in 2025 o one thing um God that's a good one I'm like all right now uh I think that's what I'd say is that there's a lot of Adventure ahead and I'm really excited for the ride and really appreciating each and every day I've got

[32:27]  lots of milest ston that are coming up in this next year and really trying to embrace them with a spirit again I guess of courage and one that has less fear is going to be I think the thing that takes me far I love that well one last couple seconds here is how can we find more information about the amazing work that you guys are doing how can people follow along with your personal Journey where can we find you where can we find out more absolutely people can follow me on LinkedIn I'm Christian Mitchell Murphy there um our organization is Wellspring living and we're under that that moniker on Instagram and other social media sites including l Lin and so I think following us on our web page can be helpful and following us on social media just keeps you up to date with all the cool things that are happening each and every day well Christian I just want to say thank you from the bottom of my heart for being a true representation of heart and hustle we appreciate everything that you're doing in your community advocating for people who need

[33:15]  help and can't raise their hand but also the changes that you're making on a generational impact so for everybody who's tuning in watching and listening today thank you so much for joining us we really appreciate it happy to be here thank you again